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Rachael Bender Click to EMail Rachael%20BenderClick to check IP address of the poster May-13-03, 07:08 AM (EST)
""So What?" Moments"
Recently while reading the book Life's Work by Lisa Belkin I discovered that I too had mixed up the message about balance. As the co-founder and editor of BlueSuitMom, I could give some great balance advice, but never found time to take the advice myself.

(Read the review of "Life's Work: Confessions of An Unbalanced Mom" at
http://www.bluesuitmom.com/career/balance/lifeswork.html )

My so what moment of the day ... So what if I have to put off the gym for the day or don't respond to customer/client inquires till tomorrow. Sometimes you have to savor the day or have a personal/family issue that you shouldn't feel obligated to share.

What are your so what moments? Or do you honestly have the 100% balanced life (We REALLY want to know your secrets if you do!)


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SaraKatie Click to EMail SaraKatieClick to check IP address of the poster May-13-03, 10:40 AM (EST)
1. "RE: "So What?" Moments -- Book Picnic Idea"
I try not to beat myself up because I fall short -- I agree, no way we can be 300% each and every day. I love my son, my work, my husb, but there are days I feel like a bubble about to burst. However, I try to remind myself that I'm doing the best I can, for all of us.

I also work hard at talking with new mothers about how to avoid the guilt and how to balance things. I find my worst critics are other women, and I wish we could move beyond the "WM"/"SAHM" debate, amongst others. I want us to nurture one another as we need each other's support.

One of my favorite tips would be at the end of a tough day, have what I call a "Book Picnic" with your child. Put a blanket on the floor, gather together snacky foods for dinner like cheese & crackers, cut up veggies w/ dip, fruit slices, cold sliced meats or sausages, things you and your child can eat. Bring out a bunch of books to read (we use our Seuss books) along with his/her favorite stuffed animals, blankets, etc., and eat, read, and enjoy. My son loves it, and it's become something special we share.

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tbis Click to EMail tbisClick to check IP address of the poster Jun-02-03, 05:34 PM (EST)
3. "RE: "So What?" Moments -- Book Picnic Idea"
>I find my worst critics
>are other women, and I
>wish we could move beyond
>the "WM"/"SAHM" debate, amongst others.
> I want us to
>nurture one another as we
>need each other's support.

Hi - I am a SAHM and definitely consider myself a "working mother." (That misnomer should be eliminated from American's vocabulary).

I've encountered the most hostile (hardly nurturing) attitudes from WOHM; they are terribly defensive, which always makes me wonder if they feel pangs of guilt and insecurity. I firmly argue this issue, but am not hostile because I'm very happy to be a SAHM and confident in my choice, knowing never to take it for granted, but believing wholeheartedly that moms really should be home full-time until their child is older. But SAHM must work - staying home doesn't mean sloughing off and being lazy and bored, while the house (and their appearance) are left a mess.

I think the SAHM/WOHM debate is only going to get worse because more and more women are becoming "alpha earners" and in my opinion, it's going to effectively banish previously established family values of the forties and fifties; they are now already in serious decline: Children are confused and left alone to fend for themselves, having to grow up more quickly than ever, dealing with stress from all directions. Men (aka fathers) feel demeaned and demoted, and women (aka mothers) are stressed to breaking points. And no one is really happy on a consistent basis.

I have no argument with women in the workplace; but I'll tell you: I strongly advocate mothers being at home full-time for the young years of their child's life. I cannot understand mothers choosing to be away from their child, yet time and again, women have stated that they don't want to be around their children for very long and are glad to get away - that's just awful. And if mothers work for financial reasons, then perhaps having a child should be put off for awhile. I'm old-fashioned enough to believe that a woman should not have a child unless she is in a good relationship and the couple is at least fairly stable financially. (Of course, circumstances can change for any couple and I realize that sometimes, SAHM must enter the workplace not through "choice" but rather because they must). But I address those who CHOOSE to work outside the home from the time they give birth or when their children are very young.

Mothers are caring less and less about what their children want and need, they expect their husbands to work at a job outside the home AND take on more than their share at home, and Mom goes to "work" somehow believing that she's going to be happy and fulfilled; but here's the truth in too many households: (1) Millions of women barely profit financially after figuring the costs of daycare, transportation, clothing, etc. (2) They just aren't as happy as they expected to be. (3) Their husband and/or children feel neglected and cast aside.

Now, many more men are staying home full-time, and based upon my research, I actually believe that some men are more capable at caring for the children and home; but it's an unnatural process because human females are still the ones who carry a child and give birth. It is not natural for human females to give birth to a baby and leave it for others to raise; in some animal species, the father is the primary caregiver, but it is not natural in the human species.

At any rate, I do wonder if families would be more "functional" (as opposed to such dysfunction) today if:

(1) More moms stayed home full-time and really did their jobs well.

(2) Dads were afforded the opportunity to work at a regular job that offers more security and less chance of layoff (due to the increased numbers of people in the workforce);

(3) Children knew the meaning of: mom and dad staying together, the entire family having meals together, being a part of quality family time, having a mom who will take them to school and pick them up (or homeschool!), a clean, comfortable home every day, fewer extracurricular activities, being taught respect and manners, and most all, knowing that mom's at home if they need anything, dad will be home at 6 to play a game, and that their parents love them, support them and will encourage them to be everything they can be as good and decent citizens of this planet.

Have a good day.

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amyknight Click to EMail amyknightClick to check IP address of the poster Jun-16-03, 08:41 PM (EST)
7. "RE: "So What?" Moments -- Book Picnic Idea"
LAST EDITED ON Jun-16-03 AT 08:47 PM (EST)

Well, not surprisingly, I disagree with much of what tbis had to say there.

I do agree that it's important for children to have people who actually love them -- rather than care for them for money -- taking care of them at least in their early years. It's amazing what resilience it breeds. Sometimes that's not possible; I understand that. But if you're in a position to make the choice, I'd seriously urge you to take a look at how 2-5 years will look in the scope of your entire working life, and maybe discount some of the "if you take the mommy track, you'll never get back on the career track" scare talk. Which is not to say there aren't serious economic consequences for women who leave the workplace; if you're interested in mitigating that problem, check out www.mothersoughttohaveequalrights.org and www.mothersandmore.org. Both groups are working to ensure that women are financially protected from the personal costs of staying home to raise children, whether they remain married or divorce.

I have no particular fondness, though, for "family values of the '40s and '50s." While there are elements I think we'd do well to recreate, like having family members geographically closer and neighborhoods more mixed agewise, in general I much prefer the strong flexibility of loving, self-aware, tolerant families today. And the whole business of women being more natural caretakers than men who're inclined to volunteer for the job strikes me as a lot of guff. There's a large element of self-selection that tbis ignores.

I don't know any working mother who expects her husband to bring home money and "do more than his share" at home, too. And every study I've seen on the issue shows the mother doing the vast majority of the housework and childcare, regardless of how many hours she works. As for the bit about her "work" -- as if she's spending all day playing with fluff -- well, that's plain insulting. Some of that "work" keeps the wheels turning where you are, tbis, and some of it takes care of you when you're sick and need medical care. Some of it maintains your legal rights. There's no reason to sneer at it.

amy

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tbis Click to EMail tbisClick to check IP address of the poster Jun-16-03, 09:34 PM (EST)
8. "RE: "So What?" Moments -- Book Picnic Idea"
You don't get out much, do you?
Geez, take a look at the real world. If YOU prefer severe and destructive dysfunctionality, that's your problem, but I will admit there's an abundance for you to enjoy.

As I posted on another thread, WHEN you become a mother and WHEN you have some experiences in motherhood under your belt, come back to these boards and participate in discussions from the viewpoint of REALITY. Until then, you're a fraud.

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amyknight Click to EMail amyknightClick to check IP address of the poster Jun-16-03, 10:35 PM (EST)
9. "RE: "So What?" Moments -- Book Picnic Idea"
You make some pretty big assumptions, tbis. I don't think there are too many folks out there who'd stand up and say they know the lives of people they've never met or heard of before last week.

There's this age-old alternative to ad-hominem attack called considered, civil debate. Wanna try? This thread was promising, till your last post. You had actual arguments there; the problem only started when you got opposition. You bring your arguments, leave the bashing and ad-hominem at home, and the other side does the same. But you've got to be willing to accept that there might be valid arguments against your opinions, prejudices and beliefs.

amy

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tbis Click to EMail tbisClick to check IP address of the poster Jun-16-03, 11:24 PM (EST)
10. "RE: "So What?" Moments -- Book Picnic Idea"
The opposition encountered here is no problem at all to me personally. It's just typical close-minded, uninformed voices speaking before they think. The problem IS the impact on society.

As I said, you're not a mother - as you stated in a post.
And you are not qualified to offer competent advice or ideas to those women who do have children. Stick to discussions about politics, religion, etc. - NOT motherhood/parenthood issues.

YOU talk about civil? I've already reported one of your posts that contain obscenities. There's NOTHING civil about that. Nor is there anything civil about your snide attitude toward me - a person who has far, far more real-world experience than you and who possesses a higher degree of factual knowledge, based on those experiences and informed research. When you have a child and possess that degree of knowledge, then perhaps SOMEONE will take what you offer seriously.

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lynnhenn Click to EMail lynnhennClick to check IP address of the poster Jun-02-03, 08:44 AM (EST)
2. "RE: "So What?" Moments"

My "so What" moments usually revolve around a clean house. I made a conscious decision to stay home with our (then) one child (now 3)not to have a clean house but to raise them with the values most important to Rick and me and to have lots of fun.

Our house will never be the cleanest on the block, but it's the house where kids know they can come to really play and sometimes make a big mess. But they also know that at "Miss Lynn's" they better remember their manners, show respect to everyone present, use language acceptable to me, and help clean up.

I knew I was doing alright when I was all-time quarterback in a front yard football game one day. Some new kids came down from a block away, saw me playing and asked a neighbor, "Can she play?" pointing at me. The little boy said, "Miss Lynn? Oh yeah, she rocks." The kids range in age from 4-11. I know I won't rock for long, but the kids know and trust me. And my prayer is that lasts forever.

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JessJess Click to EMail JessJessClick to check IP address of the poster Jun-15-03, 09:06 PM (EST)
5. "RE: "So What?" Moments"
I just ordered this book because I feel it has great value.
We all have those "so what moments" and it is nice to know we are not alone! Anyone that thinks they can achieve 300% everyday is crazy or will make themselve crazy. I can't wait to read it - I'll admit it has been hard to get to the point where you can actually say "so what!".
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Rachael Bender Click to EMail Rachael%20BenderClick to check IP address of the poster Jun-16-03, 07:28 AM (EST)
6. "RE: "So What?" Moments"
RE: "So What?" Moments"
Here's a response I received from a reader:
thoroughly enjoyed your article. It was truly a sigh of relief. Yours and the
book's author realization that no one is perfect is so fundamental it is
baffling. Unfortunately, our nature to be competitive, nurturing,
accomplished, and sexy all at once always seem within our grasp. I continue
to try to simultaneously achieve these and fail each time. The good news is
that I am trying less! ..my latest example was an attemp to make home made
strawberry jam, in hindsight I should have never attempted this. The time
spent took away from quality time from my son and relaxation for me. I did
learn that I was not as upset by my failure to be Martha Stewart and just
chalked it up as another experiment, a little time to do something different
for myself... next time, I will make an appointment for a pedicure!

I would like to add that there is a small group of women out there who happily
live the less than perfect life. They do not share their secret probably
because the rest of us would not understand living without 'drive' to do and be
everything you can be. But I admire these women, they have learned to set
limits. That is the magic word for me, limits. Limit how much extra time you
work, how much you take on, and increase the time on what makes you happy.
There is nothing more important than you and your family.

...I could go on an on but, I have to get back to work!

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